I wonder if he might not have meant a 'grown up adult living a full life'.. I think he meant 'just being alive', otherwise why would he talk about someone being born only 10 minutes 'after' Joseph's death?... isn't he implying that if that person was born 11 minutes earlier, they 'would have' been part of Joseph's generation? that person wouldn't have to be a grown adult to be part of Joseph's generation by Mr Splane's reasoning, just a few minutes old...
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New light from GB member David Splane!
by Island Man inin the latest jw broadcast splane is quoted as saying:.
"suppose there was a man who died 10 minutes before joseph was born.
would he be part of joseph's generation?
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New light from GB member David Splane!
by Island Man inin the latest jw broadcast splane is quoted as saying:.
"suppose there was a man who died 10 minutes before joseph was born.
would he be part of joseph's generation?
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The Marvster
Talk about scraping the bottom of the barrel...
does the term 'Joseph's Generation' mean that 'the generation' actually 'belonged to Joseph'? and what if Joseph had only lived as a child and died at 5 years old, would that mean that a generation can be only 5 years long? Also is he saying that if joseph lived to 100 and a person was born 0.5 seconds before Joseph died, then that person was part of Joseph's generation and so, if THAT person lived to 100, a generation would be 200 years? and since when does someone, when talking about their generation actaully expect anyone to think they could mean up to 200 years?... I mean, my parents are in their 70's now, so when I speak of my parents' generation would you really think I'm talking about people going back as far as perhaps more than 70 years before their birth, because people older than 70 when my parents were born were part of their generation? That would mean that people who lived perhaps before 1875 are part of my parents' generation? what if someone was 100 years old and still alive when my parents were born? 1845? So we're in the same generation as people living in 1845? come on.. is that what Jesus really meant by THIS GENERATION? I mean, how long was the generation Jesus spoke about in the first century? and why would he tell them to 'keep awake' if he meant 150+ years by a generation?....
this is the problem I have with these ideas, upon questioning them so many more questions come up... of course the G.O.D have an answer for everything and would be able to wriggle their way out of any apparent holes in the reasoning..
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Ministry on a day off?
by dothemath inmonday is a holiday.......so a super zealous brother asks me....."are you going out in service then?.
absolutely the last thing i would want to do!.
if i do go again ever, i think my presentation should be " i'm so sorry for ever bothering you with the absolute crap we're handing out.
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Had a dream about a week ago where I was in the 'truth' and was due to go on the ministry, and started thinking 'how the hell am I going to speak to these people knowing I don't believe any of it'? so I started thinking about how to be brutally honest on the doors and I was thinking to say things along similar lines as you dothemath...
No more FS ever... yeeeehaaaa!
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ex-jw-uk
by bigmac ini'm quite new to this site, & have realised some members have a union jack symbol under their avatar.
i don't.. could we have a "show of hands" from any uk members?
i've already found several by reading older posts..
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Education is 'HARD', first test after 27 years
by The Marvster inwell, in an effort to completely rebel against all things 'watchtower', i decided that since i gave all my years since leaving school to the borg, and listened to their admonition to avoid 'higher education' i have just started... right from bottom.... today i took a 2 hour maths test to see if i would be eligible to go on a course to re-take my gcse maths exam (this is the qualification you study for here in england in the last 2 years of compulsory schooling from ages 14-16).
back in may 1988 i did no revision, and didn't study hence a complete flop of all exams.... and seeing that 'education' wasn't on the agenda back then, and has always been warned against, (unless it was perhaps trade oriented) it was wiped from my mind... yep a jw mind-wipe occurred here, i've decided to go back to school, just for the challenge of it, f**k the org, i might have wasted decades swallowing their philosophy, but i don't have to let that past control me now... the test was 'really' hard going... and i don't think i passed, but can still get on a more basic course to start me off if i don't get on the main course.... the tutors were so warm and enthusiastic about me taking up the study at aged 43, it was so nice to hear someone get excited that i'm going to study (never in 29 years with the borg) .
i've also learned something else; jw's talk about the 'highest education' that the watchtower supposedly teaches... bullshit, that 'call and response' crap that you do in watchtower study and other meetings, that parroting, has got to be the lowest form of education there is, you don't use your brain, you don't have to analyse or think or deduce or calculate, or use savvy... it's just call and response, and nothing more, pure repetition, answer what's in the paragraph.
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I can't thank you all enough for the great examples, personal stories and advice.. AK, FTB, Diogenesister, and the rest of you thankyou thank you..
Diogenesister, I was considering OU because I speak a second language, was in the foreign language field for 15 years, so am, well, almost fluent, so getting a qualification in the language is a very possible future consideration...
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Education is 'HARD', first test after 27 years
by The Marvster inwell, in an effort to completely rebel against all things 'watchtower', i decided that since i gave all my years since leaving school to the borg, and listened to their admonition to avoid 'higher education' i have just started... right from bottom.... today i took a 2 hour maths test to see if i would be eligible to go on a course to re-take my gcse maths exam (this is the qualification you study for here in england in the last 2 years of compulsory schooling from ages 14-16).
back in may 1988 i did no revision, and didn't study hence a complete flop of all exams.... and seeing that 'education' wasn't on the agenda back then, and has always been warned against, (unless it was perhaps trade oriented) it was wiped from my mind... yep a jw mind-wipe occurred here, i've decided to go back to school, just for the challenge of it, f**k the org, i might have wasted decades swallowing their philosophy, but i don't have to let that past control me now... the test was 'really' hard going... and i don't think i passed, but can still get on a more basic course to start me off if i don't get on the main course.... the tutors were so warm and enthusiastic about me taking up the study at aged 43, it was so nice to hear someone get excited that i'm going to study (never in 29 years with the borg) .
i've also learned something else; jw's talk about the 'highest education' that the watchtower supposedly teaches... bullshit, that 'call and response' crap that you do in watchtower study and other meetings, that parroting, has got to be the lowest form of education there is, you don't use your brain, you don't have to analyse or think or deduce or calculate, or use savvy... it's just call and response, and nothing more, pure repetition, answer what's in the paragraph.
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LUHE, yep I think, I'm much more ready and willing to do the revision required... and as opposed to way back when, I now actually 'want' to study the subject...! all so-called worldly people, have been nothing but encouraging, as everybody is here too.... what a difference... -
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Education is 'HARD', first test after 27 years
by The Marvster inwell, in an effort to completely rebel against all things 'watchtower', i decided that since i gave all my years since leaving school to the borg, and listened to their admonition to avoid 'higher education' i have just started... right from bottom.... today i took a 2 hour maths test to see if i would be eligible to go on a course to re-take my gcse maths exam (this is the qualification you study for here in england in the last 2 years of compulsory schooling from ages 14-16).
back in may 1988 i did no revision, and didn't study hence a complete flop of all exams.... and seeing that 'education' wasn't on the agenda back then, and has always been warned against, (unless it was perhaps trade oriented) it was wiped from my mind... yep a jw mind-wipe occurred here, i've decided to go back to school, just for the challenge of it, f**k the org, i might have wasted decades swallowing their philosophy, but i don't have to let that past control me now... the test was 'really' hard going... and i don't think i passed, but can still get on a more basic course to start me off if i don't get on the main course.... the tutors were so warm and enthusiastic about me taking up the study at aged 43, it was so nice to hear someone get excited that i'm going to study (never in 29 years with the borg) .
i've also learned something else; jw's talk about the 'highest education' that the watchtower supposedly teaches... bullshit, that 'call and response' crap that you do in watchtower study and other meetings, that parroting, has got to be the lowest form of education there is, you don't use your brain, you don't have to analyse or think or deduce or calculate, or use savvy... it's just call and response, and nothing more, pure repetition, answer what's in the paragraph.
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cantleave... I hear you!..
we were the 'first' year (1988) to do GCSE's after the termination of O' Level exams, and it was a total mess.. My older brother and sisters did O' Levels.. and two of them are in a different stratosphere intellectually... I've heard about how difficult the O' Levels really were, from them and others older than I..
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Education is 'HARD', first test after 27 years
by The Marvster inwell, in an effort to completely rebel against all things 'watchtower', i decided that since i gave all my years since leaving school to the borg, and listened to their admonition to avoid 'higher education' i have just started... right from bottom.... today i took a 2 hour maths test to see if i would be eligible to go on a course to re-take my gcse maths exam (this is the qualification you study for here in england in the last 2 years of compulsory schooling from ages 14-16).
back in may 1988 i did no revision, and didn't study hence a complete flop of all exams.... and seeing that 'education' wasn't on the agenda back then, and has always been warned against, (unless it was perhaps trade oriented) it was wiped from my mind... yep a jw mind-wipe occurred here, i've decided to go back to school, just for the challenge of it, f**k the org, i might have wasted decades swallowing their philosophy, but i don't have to let that past control me now... the test was 'really' hard going... and i don't think i passed, but can still get on a more basic course to start me off if i don't get on the main course.... the tutors were so warm and enthusiastic about me taking up the study at aged 43, it was so nice to hear someone get excited that i'm going to study (never in 29 years with the borg) .
i've also learned something else; jw's talk about the 'highest education' that the watchtower supposedly teaches... bullshit, that 'call and response' crap that you do in watchtower study and other meetings, that parroting, has got to be the lowest form of education there is, you don't use your brain, you don't have to analyse or think or deduce or calculate, or use savvy... it's just call and response, and nothing more, pure repetition, answer what's in the paragraph.
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John Aquila,
I'm very encouraged by you example.. I honestly thought it was too late.. but that's just the JW part of my indoctrination still deep rooted so I'm going for the plunge.... calculus, I can just about spell that, that one would have killed me... yes, I went basic, had to revise my fractions, percentages, long division etc etc.. I'll just have to face the music with having to study with kids in their late teen, don't care anymore, this is what I want to do, so if need be, I will suffer a bit of awkwardness...
Stan Livedeath, thanks for the link, will PM you..
Peony thank you, I'm a Londoner, well just on the edge of London, It's taken 3 years for me to realise the 'watchtower' damage, so only now am I starting out... like yourself, my attitude has totally changed and I'm really looking forward to studying..
Slidin fast, yeah, I guess it will be a learning curve and growing pains, like re starting at the gym after years... but I trust things will get easier as the grey matter acclimatises itself...
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Education is 'HARD', first test after 27 years
by The Marvster inwell, in an effort to completely rebel against all things 'watchtower', i decided that since i gave all my years since leaving school to the borg, and listened to their admonition to avoid 'higher education' i have just started... right from bottom.... today i took a 2 hour maths test to see if i would be eligible to go on a course to re-take my gcse maths exam (this is the qualification you study for here in england in the last 2 years of compulsory schooling from ages 14-16).
back in may 1988 i did no revision, and didn't study hence a complete flop of all exams.... and seeing that 'education' wasn't on the agenda back then, and has always been warned against, (unless it was perhaps trade oriented) it was wiped from my mind... yep a jw mind-wipe occurred here, i've decided to go back to school, just for the challenge of it, f**k the org, i might have wasted decades swallowing their philosophy, but i don't have to let that past control me now... the test was 'really' hard going... and i don't think i passed, but can still get on a more basic course to start me off if i don't get on the main course.... the tutors were so warm and enthusiastic about me taking up the study at aged 43, it was so nice to hear someone get excited that i'm going to study (never in 29 years with the borg) .
i've also learned something else; jw's talk about the 'highest education' that the watchtower supposedly teaches... bullshit, that 'call and response' crap that you do in watchtower study and other meetings, that parroting, has got to be the lowest form of education there is, you don't use your brain, you don't have to analyse or think or deduce or calculate, or use savvy... it's just call and response, and nothing more, pure repetition, answer what's in the paragraph.
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Well, in an effort to completely rebel against all things 'watchtower', I decided that since I gave all my years since leaving school to the Borg, and listened to their admonition to avoid 'higher education' I have just started... right from bottom...
Today I took a 2 hour maths test to see if I would be eligible to go on a course to re-take my GCSE maths exam (this is the qualification you study for here in England in the last 2 years of compulsory schooling from ages 14-16). Back in May 1988 I did no revision, and didn't study hence a complete flop of ALL exams.... and seeing that 'education' wasn't on the agenda back then, and has always been warned against, (unless it was perhaps trade oriented) it was wiped from my mind... yep a JW mind-wipe occurred here, I've decided to go back to school, just for the challenge of it, F**k the ORG, I might have wasted decades swallowing their philosophy, but I don't have to let that past control me now..
the test was 'really' hard going... and I don't think I passed, but can still get on a more basic course to start me off if I don't get on the main course.... The tutors were so warm and enthusiastic about me taking up the study at aged 43, it was so nice to hear someone get excited that I'm going to study (never in 29 years with the borg)
I've also learned something else; JW's talk about the 'highest education' that the watchtower supposedly teaches... BULLSHIT, that 'call and response' crap that you do in watchtower study and other meetings, that parroting, has got to be the lowest form of education there is, you don't use your brain, you don't have to analyse or think or deduce or calculate, or use savvy... it's just call and response, and nothing more, pure repetition, answer what's in the paragraph. So having revised this week, today I was required to use the underlying principles I re-learned, in application to the difficult math questions. I had to use my 'noggin', my head, in an analytical way, and it was bloody hard.... Watchtower has the highest form of education? my ass it's the highest..... I used to look down on people who spent years getting a higher education, after one small test, THEY HAVE MY UTMOST RESPECT...
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August Study WT "Prepare Now to be a Good Little Drone in the New Order"
by JW_Rogue ini thought paradise was supposed to be a delight?
not according to the august study wt, on page 20 paragraphs 4-12 it outlines how much paradise will be exactly like being in the org today.
still following rules, waiting on jehovah and obeying those taking the lead.
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Well this is NEW LIGHT for me..
I've recently found myself having 'imaginary arguments' in my head, with witnesses, telling them, even if there will be a new system, I wouldn't want to live in it with JW's... and then imagining a rebuttal such as, well it will be 'different' in the new system, the organisation will not be like it is now....
JW_Rogue; you've just hammered the last nail in that coffin, 'thank you'..